From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010
X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 1
Return-Path: <idojc@hotmail.com>
Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-listsaver-of-linguolisto@egroups.com
Received: (qmail 200 invoked from network); 8 Sep 1999 16:58:28 -0000
Received: from mu.egroups.com (207.138.41.151)
  by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 1999 16:58:28 -0000
Received: from [10.1.2.5] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 1999 17:58:26 -0000
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 16:58:21 -0000
From: "James Chandler" <idojc@hotmail.com>
To: listsaver-of-linguolisto@egroups.com
Subject: Welcome to the linguolisto eGroup
Message-ID: <7r64jd+ih21@eGroups.com>
User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.76
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/html
Content-Length: 994
Mailing-List: contact linguolisto-owner@egroups.com


<P>
<pre>
Linguolisto es postolisto kreita specale por lingual diskuti en Ido, to es, diskuti pri posibla chanji e reformi di Ido, o pri partikulara traiti di linguo qui interesas membri.

Diskuti pri altra temi, exemple pri organizo o kursi, es deskurajigata che Linguolisto.  Generale, altra temi relatanta Ido povas esar diskutata che Idolisto.

Membri devas esforcar skribar en Ido kande posibla.  Pro la specal e komplexa naturo di la diskuti hike, mesaji en altra lingui ne es apta, e do permiso devas esar obtenata dal administranto ante sendar mesajo en altra linguo.  (Ico ne chanjas la plu flexebla reguli pri skribolinguo che Idolisto).

James Chandler (administranto)
idojc@hotmail.com 
8ma septembro 1999
</pre>
<P>

Group Manager: linguolisto-owner@egroups.com
<P>
To subscribe, send a message to linguolisto-subscribe@egroups.com 
or go to the e-groups's home page at 
<a href="http://www.egroups.com/group/linguolisto/">
http://www.egroups.com/group/linguolisto/</a>





From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010
X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 2
Delivered-To: listsaver-of-linguolisto@egroups.com
Mailing-List: contact linguolisto-owner@egroups.com
X-Mailing-List: linguolisto@egroups.com
X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/linguolisto/
Reply-To: linguolisto@egroups.com
Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-linguolisto@egroups.com
Received: (qmail 16978 invoked from network); 8 Sep 1999 17:29:11 -0000
Received: from law-f276.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.130.192) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 1999 17:29:11 -0000
Received: (qmail 91447 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 1999 17:08:27 -0000
Message-ID: <19990908170827.91446.qmail@hotmail.com>
Received: from 195.166.69.32 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 08 Sep 1999 10:08:27 PDT
From: "James Chandler" <idojc@hotmail.com>
To: linguolisto@egroups.com
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 17:08:27 GMT
Mime-Version: 1.0
Subject: [linguo] probo
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Kar amiki

Ica mesajo es nur probo.

Kordiale,

James Chandler
idojc@hotmail.com
http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037

______________________________________________________


From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010
X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 3
Delivered-To: listsaver-of-linguolisto@egroups.com
Mailing-List: contact linguolisto-owner@egroups.com
X-Mailing-List: linguolisto@egroups.com
X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/linguolisto/
Received: (listserv 1.255); by a1; 13 Sep 1999 16:54:02 -0000
Reply-To: linguolisto@egroups.com
Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-linguolisto@egroups.com
Received: (qmail 367 invoked from network); 13 Sep 1999 16:54:00 -0000
Received: from law-f135.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.131.198) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 1999 16:54:00 -0000
Received: (qmail 57191 invoked by uid 0); 13 Sep 1999 16:54:00 -0000
Message-ID: <19990913165400.57190.qmail@hotmail.com>
Received: from 195.166.69.32 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:54:00 PDT
From: "James Chandler" <idojc@hotmail.com>
To: linguolisto@egroups.com
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:54:00 GMT
Mime-Version: 1.0
Subject: [linguo] bonveno e temi
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Kar amiki

Kordiala bonveno al unesma kelka membri di Linguolisto.

Por startar la diskuto, me volas propozar kelka temi qui forsan on volos 
diskutar hike, aparinta recente en listi e revui idista:

1. movemento, movmento, muvmento, ec.
2. unsenceso e precizeso di signifiki (di derivuri e radiki)
3. quu ec., kom personal pronomi analoge ad altru, ulu, ec.

Anke me volas entamar debato pri uzo di -es ye verbal radiki; me facos to en 
plusa mesajo.

Kordiale,

James Chandler
idojc@hotmail.com
http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037

______________________________________________________


From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010
X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 4
Delivered-To: listsaver-of-linguolisto@egroups.com
Mailing-List: contact linguolisto-owner@egroups.com
X-Mailing-List: linguolisto@egroups.com
X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/linguolisto/
Received: (listserv 1.255); by a1; 13 Sep 1999 16:59:05 -0000
Reply-To: linguolisto@egroups.com
Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-linguolisto@egroups.com
Received: (qmail 3605 invoked from network); 13 Sep 1999 16:59:02 -0000
Received: from law-f314.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.131.18) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 1999 16:59:02 -0000
Received: (qmail 27381 invoked by uid 0); 13 Sep 1999 16:59:02 -0000
Message-ID: <19990913165902.27380.qmail@hotmail.com>
Received: from 195.166.69.32 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:59:02 PDT
From: "James Chandler" <idojc@hotmail.com>
To: linguolisto@egroups.com
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:59:02 GMT
Mime-Version: 1.0
Subject: [linguo] Re: Fwd: [ido] movimento
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Sro Laptsionak skribis:

>Tale ne eventas che: "movmento - momento"
>ube la litero "v" esas preske ne pronuncebla.

Forsan vua observo nur validesas pri la rusa, o altra linguo/i, nam en mea 
matral angla linguo (ed anke en la franca), vm an silabo-frontiero prizentas 
nula problemo.

>Me ne prizas la formo "movmento" - ni selektez altra.

Kad existas altra nediskutita?  Ni ja diskutis movemento*, movimento (ja 
uzita); forsan la suisa muvmento*, ma to adportas la sama vm grupo, kontre 
quo vu objecionas.

Kordiale,

James Chandler
idojc@hotmail.com
http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037

______________________________________________________


From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010
X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 5
Delivered-To: listsaver-of-linguolisto@egroups.com
Mailing-List: contact linguolisto-owner@egroups.com
X-Mailing-List: linguolisto@egroups.com
X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/linguolisto/
Received: (listserv 1.255); by a1; 13 Sep 1999 17:03:13 -0000
Reply-To: linguolisto@egroups.com
Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-linguolisto@egroups.com
Received: (qmail 25049 invoked from network); 13 Sep 1999 17:03:11 -0000
Received: from law-f178.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.131.241) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 1999 17:03:11 -0000
Received: (qmail 27563 invoked by uid 0); 13 Sep 1999 17:03:11 -0000
Message-ID: <19990913170311.27562.qmail@hotmail.com>
Received: from 195.166.69.32 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:03:10 PDT
From: "James Chandler" <idojc@hotmail.com>
To: linguolisto@egroups.com
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:03:10 GMT
Mime-Version: 1.0
Subject: [linguo] Fwd: [ido] Unasenceso
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

T Wood skribis:

 >Pri unasenceso me citas de PAL (H. Jacob):
>" ... experience proves the impossibility of rigidly maintaining this 
>principle. ... If we attempted to express every shade of meaning through a 
>new root, we should have to use too vast and clumsy a vocabulary. ... 
>'Words are used in a context (L. Susan Stebbing)' ... This attitude was 
>accepted by Couturat. It is a recognition of the practical limitation of 
>all language but it does not prevent us from striving for the greatest 
>possible monosignificance of the elements of the phrase.

Irgu qua konocas l'angla, konstatos rapide ke la lasta frazo hike nihiligas 
vua tota argumento.  Astonas me ke vu kredas okupar la sama poziciono kam 
Couturat.  Exemple, movimento kun du diferanta signifiki es tote kontrea a 
la lasta frazo citita.

Kordiale,

James Chandler
idojc@hotmail.com
http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037

______________________________________________________


From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010
X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 6
Delivered-To: listsaver-of-linguolisto@egroups.com
Mailing-List: contact linguolisto-owner@egroups.com
X-Mailing-List: linguolisto@egroups.com
X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/linguolisto/
Received: (listserv 1.255); by a1; 13 Sep 1999 22:37:14 -0000
Reply-To: linguolisto@egroups.com
Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-linguolisto@egroups.com
Received: (qmail 11083 invoked from network); 13 Sep 1999 22:37:10 -0000
Received: from new.sis.it (HELO dipobox.sis.it) (193.70.16.253) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 1999 22:37:10 -0000
Received: from lizard [193.70.17.60]  with smtp by dipobox.sis.it with smtp (Smail-3.2.0.103 1998-Oct-9 #4 #4) id m11QhYF-000RGVC; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:38:31 -0100 (GMT+1)
Message-Id: <m11QhYF-000RGVC@dipobox.sis.it>
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:38:31 -0100 (GMT+1)
X-Sender: narcar@mailserver.sis.it
X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2
Mime-Version: 1.0
To: linguolisto@egroups.com
From: Carlo Nardini <narcar@sis.it>
Subject: [linguo] muvmento
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Kar amiki,

> Por startar la diskuto, me volas propozar kelka temi...
> movemento, movmento, muvmento...(James C.)

Me propozas ne abandonar quaze oficala "muvmento":
 +muvmento.   Ensemblo de la agi ed esforci, koordinata, 
da grupo de personi qui volas atingar skopo partikulara. 
Dicionario de la 10.000 RADIKI...da Marcelo Persiko, 1964.
Anke se la radiko ne havis oficala adopto, pos 35 yari ol 
quaze oficaligesis pro ipse esir en la Dicionario tante longe, 
IMHO.

A me anke plezas Persikala "frendo" (plue kam samideano):
 frendo. - Kun-partoprenanto di +muvmento. Dicionario de la 
10.000... e.c. (Listo di vorti...e.c.).

        Kordiale        Carlo Nardini



From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010
X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7
Delivered-To: listsaver-of-linguolisto@egroups.com
Mailing-List: contact linguolisto-owner@egroups.com
X-Mailing-List: linguolisto@egroups.com
X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/linguolisto/
Received: (listserv 1.255); by a1; 14 Sep 1999 03:43:14 -0000
Reply-To: linguolisto@egroups.com
Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-linguolisto@egroups.com
Received: (qmail 23760 invoked from network); 14 Sep 1999 03:43:11 -0000
Received: from unknown (HELO sydmx1.spike.com.au) (203.62.198.5) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 1999 03:43:11 -0000
Received: from AUSYDA004 ([10.1.61.181]) by sydmx1.spike.com.au with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id R01NQ0PJ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:39:50 +1000
Message-ID: <003401befe64$5cd06ae0$b53d010a@ausyda004.spike.com.au>
From: "Adrian Neilson Hall" <adrianh@spike.com.au>
To: <linguolisto@egroups.com>
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:51:01 +1000
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3
Subject: [linguo] Re: muvmento
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


Kar amiki

>Me propozas ne abandonar quaze oficala "muvmento":
> +muvmento.   Ensemblo de la agi ed esforci, koordinata,
>da grupo de personi qui volas atingar skopo partikulara.
>Dicionario de la 10.000 RADIKI...da Marcelo Persiko, 1964.
>Anke se la radiko ne havis oficala adopto, pos 35 yari ol
>quaze oficaligesis pro ipse esir en la Dicionario tante longe,
>IMHO.

Me konkordas. Muvmento semblas evitar la problemo di son-konfuzo quan
mencionis Dmitri.

>A me anke plezas Persikala "frendo" (plue kam samideano):
> frendo. - Kun-partoprenanto di +muvmento. Dicionario de la
>10.000... e.c. (Listo di vorti...e.c.).

Ibe desfelice, me ne konkordas. Me ne sentas la neceseson di aparta radiko
por la koncepto 'samideano'.


kordiale
Adrian



From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010
X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 8
Delivered-To: listsaver-of-linguolisto@egroups.com
Mailing-List: contact linguolisto-owner@egroups.com
X-Mailing-List: linguolisto@egroups.com
X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/linguolisto/
Received: (listserv 1.255); by a1; 15 Sep 1999 03:19:02 -0000
Reply-To: linguolisto@egroups.com
Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-linguolisto@egroups.com
Received: (qmail 27047 invoked from network); 15 Sep 1999 03:18:59 -0000
Received: from unknown (HELO sydmx1.spike.com.au) (203.62.198.5) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 1999 03:18:59 -0000
Received: from AUSYDA004 ([10.1.61.181]) by sydmx1.spike.com.au with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id R01NRCA0; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:15:34 +1000
Message-ID: <000b01beff2a$24ebb910$b53d010a@ausyda004.spike.com.au>
From: "Adrian Neilson Hall" <adrianh@spike.com.au>
To: <linguolisto@egroups.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:26:47 +1000
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3
Subject: [linguo] pri la helena radiko 'homo'
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01BEFF7D.F6037850"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BEFF7D.F60377850
Content-Type: text/plain;
    charset="iso-8859-1"
content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

Kar amiki

Me remarkis en mesajo di Jean Martignon ad Idostab:

".. la nova=
 morbo sexuale transmisebla qua mortigis unesme multa homeosexuali e nun la=
 tota populani"..

Evidente es bon rezono modifar la espeluro di la interna=
ciona "homosexual" pro la simileso di ta vorto al posibla kompozuro "homo-s=
exual-" (irge quo la signifiko di to). 

Forsan tal modifo devas extensar a=
l omna vorti di helen origino en qua la elemento 'homo' signifikas 'sama'.
=

Me pensas exemple pri 'homogena' quan me jus vidis en la retal dicionario =
Ido-angla.

Kordiale
Adrian


------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BEFF7D.F60377850
Content-Type: text/html;
    charset="iso-8859-1"
content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN">
<HTML>
<HEAD>

<META conte=
nt=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 http-equiv=3DContent-Type>
<META conten=
t=3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3110.7"' name=3DGENERATOR>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=3D#fffff=
f>
<DIV>Kar amiki</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Me remarkis en mesajo di Jea=
n Martignon ad Idostab:</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>".. la nova morbo=
 sexuale transmisebla qua mortigis unesme multa 
<STRONG>homeosexuali</STRO=
NG> e nun la tota populani"..</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Evidente es=
 bon rezono modifar la espeluro di la internaciona 
"homosexual" =
pro la simileso di ta vorto al posibla kompozuro 
"homo-sexual-" =
(irge quo la signifiko di to). </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Forsan tal mod=
ifo devas extensar al omna vorti di helen origino en qua la 
elemento 'homo=
' signifikas 'sama'.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Me pensas exemple pri 'ho=
mogena' quan me jus vidis en la retal dicionario 
Ido-angla.</DIV>
<DIV>&nb=
sp;</DIV>
<DIV>Kordiale</DIV>
<DIV>Adrian</DIV>

</body></html>

------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BEFF7D.F60377850--


From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010
X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 9
Delivered-To: listsaver-of-linguolisto@egroups.com
Mailing-List: contact linguolisto-owner@egroups.com
X-Mailing-List: linguolisto@egroups.com
X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/linguolisto/
Received: (listserv 1.255); by a1; 15 Sep 1999 16:47:35 -0000
Reply-To: linguolisto@egroups.com
Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-linguolisto@egroups.com
Received: (qmail 17213 invoked from network); 15 Sep 1999 16:47:32 -0000
Received: from law-f121.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.131.184) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 1999 16:47:32 -0000
Received: (qmail 16050 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 1999 16:47:32 -0000
Message-ID: <19990915164732.16049.qmail@hotmail.com>
Received: from 195.166.69.32 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:47:31 PDT
From: "James Chandler" <idojc@hotmail.com>
To: linguolisto@egroups.com
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:47:31 GMT
Mime-Version: 1.0
Subject: [linguo] Re: Fwd:  muvmento
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

A. Nielson-Hall skribis:

>Me konkordas. Muvmento semblas evitar la problemo di son-konfuzo quan
>mencionis Dmitri.

Fakte me nule pensis pri problemo pro proximeso a "momento", kande me 
propozis "movmento*".  Me kredas ke se on parserchus l'Ido-vortaro, on 
trovus multa tala proxima pari, qui nultempe produktis problemi.

Generale, esas plu bona esar konsequenta* (konsequema) en la transskribo di 
internaciona radiki.  Tale se ni prenas mov-, mustas esar tre forta motivo 
por ne prenar mov(V)ment- (ube V es ula vokalo).

>Ibe desfelice, me ne konkordas. Me ne sentas la neceseson di aparta radiko
>por la koncepto 'samideano'.

Samideano semblas a me tre bona e tote suficanta.  Pluse "frendo" pensigus 
angla-parolanti pri lia "friend" /frend/, quo es nia "amiko".

Kordiale,

James Chandler
idojc@hotmail.com
http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037

______________________________________________________


From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010
X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 10
Delivered-To: listsaver-of-linguolisto@egroups.com
Mailing-List: contact linguolisto-owner@egroups.com
X-Mailing-List: linguolisto@egroups.com
X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/linguolisto/
Reply-To: linguolisto@egroups.com
X-Duplicate: Duplicate(2)--854272317
Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-linguolisto@egroups.com
Received: (qmail 933 invoked from network); 14 Sep 1999 12:40:15 -0000
Received: from epmsa001.ep.minsk.by (194.226.122.227) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 1999 12:40:15 -0000
Received: by epmsa001.ep.minsk.by with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <S2KWX3CX>; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:39:59 +0300
Message-ID: <8D76D48EDDD3D211AC3000A0C98212E703A91B@epmsa001.ep.minsk.by>
From: "Dmitri P. Laptsionak" <Dmitri_Laptsionak@epam.com>
To: "'idolisto@egroups.com'" <idolisto@egroups.com>, "'linguolisto@egroups.com'" <linguolisto@egroups.com>
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:39:51 +0300
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
Subject: [linguo] Re: [ido] linguolisto
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Forsan ni povas uzar la linguolisto 
anke por diskutar la projekto da Marcos: UTL. 

Estimata Marcos, ka vu povas klarigar a me 
formado di pasiva verbo-formi (-at-, -it-) en UTL?

	Zmicier